Epicor ERP training

Christmas question to my fellow Epicorians out there.

We have been using ERP for 10 years now and have had several organizational changes that have brought in new people. Everyone will pass on tribal knowledge gained with Epicor or our previous system (yes, we still talk about what we could do before using Epicor).

A goal as we move towards a Kinetic upgrade would be to review current system settings and configurations in all business areas, do they fit our business today, are Epicor working as they expect it, do we have opportunities for change.

Where would you suggest to your users to start if they want to learn the basics of Epicor?
Training videos, webinars, help documentation, learning courses, attend Insights, User Group meetings. what other options can you recommend? We all learn differently and I want to put together a collection of tools for different ways of learning.

TIA.
Kristine

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I don’t have advice, but I am looking forward to what others say!

I am very much in the same boat. Since our launch in 2016, there is only one manager that still works here in his same role - not including myself - and one other that moved departments. It’s really disorienting because the group from our launch, we all had buy-in to learn and make it work.

But now everyone is walking into something that they assume does all the thinking for them, and it’s hard to kind of crush that notion and explain, despite its fanciness, this is still a computer and it only does what we tell it. And you, new person, are in charge of making sure your subordinates tell it the right stuff. They don’t like that. It’s supposed to just work.

One thing I am planning to do very soon is make some departmental launch screens. Like a central screen to start at every day and it would have links to the screens that matter to that department and explanations of why you would use Job Status over Job Tracker (or whatever). I am hopeful that will help us have more continuity within departments.

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I would not lump process improvement and upgrade in the same project scope, at least that’s what I understood from some people who have done many implementations- not sure if you planned on separating them or not based on your post.

However, once the upgrade is done, I would leverage the epicor learning center. They have revamped the majority of it and have a ton of media types for those who learn differently. I also encourage my users to hop on here. Only a couple have ventured into the forum, but the best way to check yourself and your processes is to see how others may be doing it or to ask questions about things you don’t understand. Sometimes, no matter how many times you read the user guide, you just won’t understand it until someone explains it differently.

In short:

  • Built-In application help in Kinetic which replaced user guides

  • Epicor Learning Center

  • Epiusers

  • Insights

  • A well-vetted consultant in any area you still need help in after that.

I would also be wary of combining Process Improvement and Upgrade into the same project. The tribal knowledge issue is the Achilles heel for many companies. Sometimes things were incorporated into the procedures as a workaround for a bug that was in that version of Epicor, which may not even be a bug any longer.

I recommend Insights where there are sufficient sessions being offered for specific Super-Users. In recent years, they’ve scaled a lot of what they offer back, and most of it is geared towards people responsible for creating customizations and modifying forms/reports, and a handful of other areas. The last time I was there, wasn’t much being offered for sales/customer service, purchasing, and operations folks, and even the finance/accounting wasn’t what it once was.

When upgrading to Kinetic, you need your super-users to be up to speed on new features and configuration settings. There’s still time to learn how to use the kinetic forms, as they’ve postponed eliminating the client since they still haven’t fully migrated everything over to kinetic yet, and many companies were complaining about the pace they had originally planned. At Insights this year, one of the Epicor VP’s told me we still have at least a couple of years left before the client application goes away, and everything switches fully over to the browser-based kinetic.

With that being said, EpicWeb has a decent amount of resources available. Consultants are a good source, so long as it’s clear that they’re purpose is to conduct training. If people start throwing out ideas about customizing functionality before they have even learned to fully ustilize Epicor, most consultants will jump at the chance to expand the scope and start giving quotes for customizing and make more money.

Depending upon how long it has been since the company and site configurations were done, and financial areas were set-up and configured, if the person(s) who were responsible for setting all that up are no longer there, than a 1-2 day review with an Epicor Senior Financial Consultant would be a good idea - especially in reviewing all the accounting and financial processes/procedures and make sure that you’re still adhering to best practices.

Epicor’s professional services can also conduct user training, as well. They charge a little more than most consultants do, but they’ll stick to the training without deliberately looking for opportunities to do customizations; and if something you need really does require a customization, they’ll direct you to professional services people whose job is doing such customizations, or at least provide you enough direction to know the scope so that someone in-house who knows how to properly create customizations, or soliciting quotes from other consultants can be done.

Just beware, when it comes to customizations, not all consulting groups are created equally. Just because something “can” be done, doesn’t mean that it should. The golden rule is that a customization should augment/enhance the software processes and data flow, not try to change or override them.

In terms of the upgrade, you want to review all of the customized forms, reports, bpm’s and dashboards to ensure everything is still being used, and has been developed properly. Depending upon the complexity, some of them are likely to break due to schema changes of certain tables. But it shouldn’t be much - you just need to know what’s there so that it can be checked and verified as to whether it’s still working after the upgrade. That’s typically the most time-intensive part of preparing for the upgrade.

Make sure you test what version you’re upgrading to, as well - to discover if there are any bugs regarding critical functions your company depends upon (If there’s a bug in MRP, depending upon how a company utilizes MRP, it can be a non-issue for one company, but a catastrophic issue for another).

Don’t go all the way up to the latest and greatest release of Kinetic. Go to a version which has a sufficient number of patch-level updates that has worked out all of the bugs!

They’re piecemealing the kinetic version the same way they piecemealed E9 from a Progress database to a SQL database, and there are lots of things getting broken along the way with each new version. So don’t jump directly to Kinetic 2023.1 when it comes out in the spring, as you’re likely to get bogged down with all of the bugs that even Epicor doesn’t know exist in it as of it’s release. Always make sure there’s at least 10 or more patch levels, as that’s when they typically work through the bulk of the bugs that end up getting reported. Those of us on SaaS are constantly getting hammered with these things that usually take at up to 3 or 4 patch releases to be addressed.

The Application guide inside the Help menu has gotten better through the years, but it never offers a step-by-step process of configuring modules to function as desired. It’s only good with helping you understand the various fields on specific form tabs.

That’s the one area where I will say Epicor is not very good - a comprehensive manual on how to configure and set-up the software for acquired modules. Either your super-users have been through the training, or you need to have new super-users trained. One person simply cannot know all there is to know about the Epicor software, because it’s too complex, which is why Epicor doesn’t even have a consultant or developer who’s an expert on every single module. Everyone specializes, which is why so much breaks during version upgrades; because a developer changes something, tests it, it works… but then the realization comes upon rollout that the change broke three other things that the development team wasn’t even aware was impacted. LOL

To summarize, train and learn first. Then proceed to the upgrade. That’s my opinion.

A lot of good insight above. But…

I find the biggest disconnect for the users (not the super users) is how they should use it to match their business needs.

And most of this revolves around the the things done only occasionally - like creating a new Product Group with new GL controls. Those kinds of things should be the responsibility of sales and accounting. But they’ll most likely set them up incorrectly. And because they thought they did it right, just assume that it doesn’t work right. Then implement workarounds to fix what their original change now does.

Just my two cents for the smaller companies that might only have a dozen (or less) regular users, and little to no inhouse IT.

There was no way the company could send people to Insights. 1) the cost, and 2) there’d be no one left in the office.

We recently started using Epicor Learning Center (ELC) - our roles lined up with what ELC already had built in. If there is some advanced features or modules you don’t own, you can just remove them from the agendas and assign the agenda to the role. Default is 2 months to complete the agenda.

I then let the new hires/retraining people know that this is learning how Epicor intended to use the screens out of the box and that they will get more information on customizations/business processes from their peers.

This way I have new people learning out of the box and hopefully challenging some of the implementation customizations that were done. I also have an option for them to get short training videos on line without having to read a manual or wait for someone already strapped with additional work to have the time to train them.

There are also the free Epicor videos I include a link to, letting them know they are being added to regularly so be sure to check back. We haven’t gone to Kinetic screens, anxious to do that so they can get those quick videos specific to their screens right away. For now, there is still “classic” versions of the training and they are regularly putting out more Kinetic versions.

If you had embedded education, you have ELC. There are courses for ELC Administrators you can assign to yourself :wink:. I believe all new Kinetic installs get the ELC. You can also add links or content to your company’s own training.

Jenn

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To get a company ready for an upgrade.

  • Create an environment with the upgraded database - with no customizations
  • Create a list of all the functions that need to be performed (do a BAQ on the Menu table for starters)
    I use SmartSheet to do this.
  • Place the list on a shared space where you can assign the sections of the menu to various people
  • Put a link on the Epicor Menu to the list
  • Have columns setup for started, done, status and comments to track status
  • Have the users work through the processes to validate they can do everything.
  • When a person bumps into an issue - have them comment so you know they need help - then training or a customization may be required.
  • Place a link on the Epicor menu to the ELC
    • Training using Epicor Learning Center
    • Browse the courses

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Epicor Learning Center - additional feedback

Consider the ELC as Cliff Notes* (some errors exist)

I just took some courses on Advanced Units of Measure and basic units of measure -
there were several errors in the scripts and the examples really weren’t real world examples.

So, while the video learning is really “neat”, there are some of the errors

  • like check the approval box and then select approve all in the from the overflow menu will result in an approved revision on the engineering workbench, it really isn’t the correct steps.

  • On the order release - uncheck the FirmRelease to create an unfirm job - doesn’t work. You need to have a FirmRelease to create an unfirmed job using MRP.

These types of errors could cause issues for the users if they follow them verbatim.

With "cliff notes " errors - you will need to call in your super users or consultant to help you out.

*Cliff Notes would not be considered academic or scholarly, but it is credible . Cliff Notes plays a similar role as Wikipedia, WikiHow, and others in the pre-research process.